But how does God meet with them there when He has said Be still, and know that I am God ? Newman admitted he betrayed the trust of underage boys and their parents when he held naked bible study in his hot tub, where he performed masturbation with/or on the boys, performed oral sex with the young men and played naked basketball with the youths. Is there something to this as a part of the problem? Its a town. They are unfortunately few around us. And special investigators that the organization pays. It happened at a bible camp. Its one of the things that bothers me about GRACE that I have mentioned before. Churches that get caught in difficult sexual abuse cases usually try to downplay their relationship with the accused offender. So I started going to Youth Life, hanging out with Pete. Do I file a freedom of information request on anything involving the name of the camp? The Bible also says that were not to call good people evil and evil people good. And I repeat, the pastors and teachers are the keepers of the knowledge as it were which enables one to adhere to scripture as understood by some particular group. Stop paying lawyers and expert witnesses. Even though our old church considered the NIV the devils work, I like the way its translators put it: But among you there must not be even a hint of sexual immorality, or of any kind of impurity, or of greed, because these are improper for Gods holy people. I often get the feeling that some today would have called us works type Christians back then. Maybe the best thing to do is to train church MEMBERS what to look for and to constantly be vigilant, because the leaders are just not going to do it if it goes against their interests. It is also probably best I do not write what I think of these "christian leaders".. More generally, I use to think America was sue-crazy. There are tares out there. That is my lonely view. 2. It read: The Lord is in his holy temple, let all the earth keep silent before Him. The leadership, that knowingly invites the sick predators near children, has an even GREATER responsibility for what happens as a result. In early February 13years after Hoffpauir told his wife about theabuse, and more than two decadesafter he says it began Hoffpauir finally, for the first time, told his parents about the pain that he suffered in secret. I think that seems to be what has been created. said in an interview on Tier Talk (for the corrections industry) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cRtccELtlJw. Plagiarized material for his book. I agree that PP and a whole bunch of the bunch are primarily politicians. Hoffpauir and Dygert said they are now choosing to make their stories widely public through the news and social media in order to help other survivors and to seek accountability. Lydia, didnt the doctrine of soul competency take a hit when Patterson put the 2000 BF&M changes into play? When it comes to the kids, we cant afford not to. Before we get into the heartof this story, I think we should clarify something. If the guy was in a 12-step program with a sponsor on his heels, hed be making amends, not defending the indefensible. Loves program. That same year, Kanakuk Kamps Director Pete Newman was criminally charged and convicted of abusing dozens of campers. I went to branson in like 1990. The missionaries were victims of the culling of diversity within the SBC, which apparently was seen as intolerable to the new leadership. Chilling. He captures the issues that we all talk about. Quick off-topic comment to Nancy2 and future campers at Camp Backbone in Kentucky. It reminds me of that whole exchange with Thabiti Anywabile where he refused to think about or look into the allegations against C J Mahaney. One blogger was mentored by him, grew a conscious, left and started telling lots of secrets. Grownups shouldnt be getting naked with teenagers at camp. () Those are red flags in itself, but for some reason, it was just OK to bring your 13-year-old boy (companion) with you on overnight trips. Ingrained. As a woman who divorced a narcissist.those are the people to avoid. If I followed what you said, I would have to pack up my signs and sit on my hands 15 miles away instead of warning people (in my quite imperfect way). Pedos (and manipulators of every kind) groom third-party Allies (especially Authority figures) to both futher isolate the victim (Go ahead and squeal, Tattle-Tale! Finally one judge gets it. But as I moved to Texas in my 20s, I havent been there since. The baptist church of my earliest years had a quote from the bible carved over the doors between the vestibule/narthex and the church/nave. The major media companies wont report on these issues. Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites, because you are like whitewashed tombs that look beautiful on the outside but on the inside are full of dead mens bones and all kinds of filth. I think its the ole carrot and the stick trick. They can do their jobs well, even though theyre getting paid by the business. "The resulting civil lawsuits received little attention, and nondisclosure agreements silenced victims and kept evidence under seal. After all Sandy Willson had more pressing issues! @ BeenThereDoneThat: and that is a problem for our witness, the right to lifers who used this for political purposes but didnt commit to it fully, come off as hypocritical to say the least . And sadly, the followers have to share in the responsibility of creating and maintaining these monsters and their protectors. The use of the word sin in terms of this pedophile doesnt go far enough. Much like turning the Titanic. My former church blew off a similar incident and the pedophile went on to molest. When did that go by? I am not surprised that anyone (especially those that lean towards giving the benefit of the doubt) would have downplayed the seriousness of what Pete had done. They *make* themselves useful to deceivers. It ended up being a way to pay out lower settlements and/or avoid responsibility in law suits. I didn't talk to anyone. Peter Newman and Camp Kanakuk . If we practice Jesus teaching, then we will judge leaders and their churches by what is actually produced. My wife likes to go but we have not sent our kids to the Sunday school or camp. Second: I am commenting only to add some insight to the discussion. My ex-pastor pulled a stunt like that at Easter time with visitors. It is still hard for me to wrap my head around the idea that he is capable of the heinous acts that he committed, and would do that kind of damage to these boys. But I dont know that this movement appeals to as many people as they seem to think it will. And yet these false teachers would try to claim that the victims later problems are to be blamed on bitterness and unwillingness to forgive. Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites, because you are like whitewashed tombs that look beautiful on the outside but on the inside are full of dead mens bones and all kinds of filth.. . Not that Im naive enough anymore to trust a church to do the right thing. When do Highborn ever think about the damage to those Lowborn? How are people supposed to live believing they cannot trust themselves on basic things like this? Bryan Loritts was not the voyeur. They were told to sign or resign, and many had the integrity to resign. That bears repeating along with a warning that everyone is susceptible to being conned, especially the people who think it can never happen to them. They dont sue churches either. I have three eye surgeries myself in recent years, including a partial corneal transplant which was successful, and I will be more than glad to pray for anyone beginning an surgical eye procedure, yes. Thanks for being on top of things. What were some of the allegedactivities? Not everything labeled church is promoting the Truth. Your understanding of human nature is not full until youve seen evil masked by good, up close and personal. The problems, I just got madder about this situation as I went for a walk!! In court documents filed in February 2013, Kanakuk says it will present testimony from expert witnesses that will cast doubt on the severity of the harm John Doe suffered as a 12-year-old sexual abuse victim. When someone comes across as so special, as so amazing and spiritual, beware. "We're getting ready to go to bed and I look over and all of a sudden, he's got an erection under the blanket," Dygert said. I dont know if you and your family have seen former pastor David Hayward/The Naked Pastors cartoons. Dixie stampede is popular. But practically impossible. I knew Pete from Auburn. The missionaries were victims of the culling of diversity within the SBC, which apparently was seen as intolerable to the new leadership. Let me just say, we had a situation at an office I worked in where they found someone with child porn. Im, sadly, in complete agreement with you. Beyond lawsuits, those people need to be charged with criminal negligence and the institutions need to be fined heavily, at the very least, no excuses! My daughter did a several hour training module to work for the YMCA. Just remember the side effect like Muslims after 9/11, Christians will circle the wagons against PERSECUTION!!!!! I cant even begin to imagine. All Very Righteous and Respectable and Christian(TM). Yes, we can all fall into sin, we can all be deceived by sin. I cant answer for Okrapod, but likely the sacrament is reserved means that the Real Presence is within the sanctuary. And make use of all they hear! Someone on Facebook said it was from an episode of Brain Games called Peer Pressure. They have Silver Dollar city, some lakes, an outlet mall, and a million weird shows you can watch, including a christian themed one that had JONAH last year. Its just not worth the risk. Many will say to Me on that day, didnt we run Christian camps in your name, and publish books in your Name, and promote purity of doctrine and gender roles in your Name? Yes, by all means, sue the bastardz. 2010 Pete Newman receives two life sentences plus 30 years in Missouri state prison based on multiple counts of statutory sodomy and child enticement involving child abuse on Kanakuk property. Im just going to post it again for new readers affected by this story. Both may rail against the world, but with a different attitude. People are drawn to that which fulfills their own needs, and if a church sets up a system where the set-up involves submission, chances are that is fertile ground for trouble and the abuses which occur. And because his sexual desires were for children . Brian wrote: So yes, in that sense people are taught bible, which is certainly training the conscience. The damage he inflicted on thousands. I did permit my youngest child and only daughter to attend a couple times at the Brookhill Ranch Christian camp that Razorback Sally mentioned. "That ministry" Kanakuk "should have caught on.". Say a quick little prayer for me, please this is day 3 of a migraine headache. I know several good and wonderful Catholic people from St. Matthews parish here in my area. Donald Trump. "I'm just saying (to her), you cannot blame other people. How many other knowledgeable people, besides Boz Tchividjian, are having an impact raising awareness about this problem in churches? That kind of betrayal of the innocents does not deserve any second chance. If they cover up scandal to protect their damned reputations then they are false. Props to Todd Wilhelm for joining you when he was visiting the U.S. again from the Middle East. Ive never been there, but Ive heard descriptions of christianized shows and activities. It is still hard for me to wrap my head around the idea that he is capable of the heinous acts that he committed, and would do that kind of damage to these boys. On Feb 4., a separateanonymous plaintiff sued Newman for the same amount of money. I do know my brother literally cannot NOT manipulate. I think this is one reason child sexual predation is played down and people end up feeling empathy for molesters especially Christian ones. Full-time leadership staff train and prepare them in five areas: Readiness to serve in a Christ-like manner; Coaching skills and Kamper safety; Core Kanakuk philosophies; Activity based application of Biblical principles; Creating an uplifting, fun and encouraging environment. We/I believe that the Eucharist is a sacrament, not just an ordinance, and we believe that the Lord is really present in the Eucharist. Billy is set for school supplies. September 2009: Newman is arrested & then released on $50,000 bond along with a court order not to be around children but he continues working at the church. Fast forward. What does that mean in plain English, please? I pray frequently for Petes victims healing, and that Pete remains in jail while here on earth. *Warning: short, graphic section dealing with the activities of Newman to give readers an understanding of his crimes.*. The day the camp director found out, both counselors from that cabin were told to pack their bags and leave, and all of the parents of kids in the cabin were informed. Listen to the promptings. "They're going to different tables. Especially by a "Christian leader"??? Is this accurate? The Slick Deceiver is Anti in the sense of being an imitation of, and works from the Inside. (Not trying to be stifling or silencing of truth or established fact, but if its not truth, its not a good thing to leave hanging out there.). We are instructed to expose the evil that lies in the shadows. Where you cannot be assured of decent people, you have to make it profitable for them to do the right thing and painful for them to do the wrong thing. The new YRR youth group leaders are very dictatorial. Huh? And to gather Intelligence to use on their next targets. When Dygert and Hoffpauir's families learned of the abuse, it caused them to be "damaged from the inside," in the words of Dygert's civil lawsuit papers. Hes in the cesspool himself. Law Prof wrote: I hear you. Its getting so hard to hold on to faith. The prosecutor's criminal charges allege that Pete engaged in sexually inappropriate behavior with adolescent boys, including some who had been Kanakuk Kampers. Milton Friedman talked about how you have to make it profitable for people to do the right thing, I think punitive is just the opposite of that, you make it costly to do the wrong thing. Their son, Cooper, is also on the board of directors, and daughter Jamie Jo serves as the organization . ), How can those of us with Jobs and Lives and other things than 24/7/365 Self-Promotion compete with that? So he would sayyou could do things like sing a worship song while you're masturbating, or you could quote Scripture while masturbating, or you could just not think of women. The Crime Scene reported Newman Sentenced To Two Life Terms Plus 30 Years. I laughed so hard while watching the video of everyone standing. Now I find out its not so, evidently just some provincial little place that merits only an obscure, inside reference on the Simpsons. If you continue to use this site we will assume that you are happy with it. Looks like the Resurgence went too far in the OTHER direction. Some of you may have heard about Joe White who has spoken at conferences such a Promise Keepers, etc. There is a barbarian aspect to this. A genuine person will never be invested in making you think theyre so wonderful. but just one of many reasons. They lost over seventy missionaries at that time. Those men get promised to be allowed to control, which is so opposite the example of Jesus. What can we be as believers but strong advocates against this heinous evil? Newman was a long time employeeof the camp but, under his family man, jovial, Christian exterior, there lived a monster. Please pray for this because there are some really good job openings which I think would work great with my sons schedule and pay a really decent wage. The idea being that if you have confessed your sins and repented and asked God for forgiveness then you are forgiven by God. He has not, to my knowledge, been accused of any sex crimes. Outright lies. This denomination is different from the type of church Ive been to in the past. Now THATS a Baptist college to be proud of! You Goat! They were rich. This is apples and oranges. Not those who are actual victims from church cover up. It is too hard, period.Charles L. Bailey Jr.,In the Shadow of the Cross link. They are out there but can be hard to find as they dont tend to attract much attention to themselves. After graduating from Auburn University, Pete was brought on full-time in 1999 and started the Kanakuk Father & Son Retreats. A petition was created to force Kanakuk to release victims and their families of non-disclosure agreements (NDAs) that legally obstruct their testimonies against the camp. He was 13. He offers something far more comprehensive than any other protection policy Ive ever seen or heard of. There are also the issues of personal holiness, attitudes toward education and science and family, and if I were not still sleepy I could think of some more. Not those who are actual victims from church cover up. We must fight the good fight. Pattersons group threw out some critically-needed controls on their own power when they attacked (or allowed attack on) diversity and soul competency, I think. Women and children are obviously not part of the body. And I do wonder how many of these people call themselves pro-life. Theres a difference between being anti-abortion and pro-life: you have to actually care for and about those who have been born *in addition to* those who havent. Ive been thinking about the camps I went to as a teenager. . "We believe in grace and that God can and will heal . Maybe education aimed directly at the people? Not everything labeled church is promoting the Truth. This camp, and its leaders, are clearly not following basic Christain principles, and we need to shout this from the highest mountaintop. How could they? AND more important: WITCHES hiding among us to be smelled out. I mean, I live 4-5 hours away, so maybe its more familiar to me, but its well known apparently outside of the area, yes, enough to make it onto the simpsons lol. As far as our informant knows, the church attendees werenot informed of Peter Newman'sserious issues. Lea wrote: I wasnt aware GRACE promoted themselves as victim advocates, either. Mark Driscoll is an evil man. Schools and other public agencies used this training material as well. Some eventually do make it all the way across the Tiber (my alley and some find a refuge in the beautiful eastern Orthodox Churches, which is REALLY a change for them coming into eastern Christian ways of seeing the faith of Our Lord . Caveat emptor folks. There are goats. Had Newman been caught in a sexual relationship with another consenting adult in his own age group, hed have been removed from his position as camp counselor and probably shamed and pariahed out of his church to boot. I honestly think GRACE has good intentions. @ Christiane: @ dee: He was the pastor who allegedly kept thing on the down low. And, of course we hit the malls. Its such a thick environment. Lea wrote: So you need both. Did CJ Mahaney in calling any discussion on molestations, gossip and preaching the doctrine of sin leveling? asserted the Newman scandalwas more widespread and systemic, Your California Privacy Rights/Privacy Policy. At least she cares. That didnt happen with the Village Church. Ive always been skeptical about things people say, so I chuffed at people who insisted that they had a call so I had to listen to them. hey, Im just bettern you to be such a Big Man and admit it with tears in my eyes while the music just started getting softly played by the song leader, that music likes they play in the movies where someone dies tragically. Pedophiles work in much the same manner with the exception they seem to have much more patience in preparing their victims and their enablers. They are paid by the organization to do the investigation. They tend to be very unrealistic about people. Why do people keep supporting such places? ", "It was just things that are not normal," Hoffpauir said. How can you be a victim advocate and prevention for businesses (churches)? What else do they not believe? @ Lea: Never did send any of my kids there. That way people dont have access to the big winners. (Like that therapist in South Parks Children of the Corn/Lord of the Flies episode.). Most of these cases are taken on a contingency fee basis. Much needed. MLK Day keynote speaker: Bryan Stevenson, Founder of Equal Justice Initiative, Nepal plane crash: 68 people killed in Yeti Airlines plane crash, Checking out the Milwaukee County Historial Society, Next Weather: WBZ Evening Update For January 17, Gushing water floods streets in Spain's Laredo, Prosecutors charge Brian Walshe with murdering his wife Ana Walshe, Yosemite's 'Half Dome' cam nearly buried in snow. @ okrapod: His conscience is mans most secret core and his sanctuary. I feel like I can tell you anything. Reporting on this stuff will never end. Newman continued his heinous activities and was finallyarrested in 2010. It's like a pop-off valve on the water heater." many Calvinista leaders believe that God is so with them and their election and awesome leadership that nothing bad could ever happen to them. But I truly dont know if I can trust them. We should not be surprised about any of this because, again, Jesus warned us before hand. There is a barbarian aspect to this. Growing public awareness of controversy linked to Kanakuk camp began early last year. A while back, there was a male counselor who allowed his cabin of boys to horse around in the cabin while naked. With numerous detailed questions, the newspaper recently reached out by email to 14 members of Kanakuk's leadership team, including owner Joe White and his wife, Debbie-Jo White, and followed-up with a phone call to the camp's main switchboard. And including a former President. The letter-writers called Kanakuk's reporteduse of NDAs one of many "intimidation tactics" thecamp uses to stifle allegations of sexual assault and protect its reputation. So, my kids have attended a Christian summer camp (not this one) for years. Just an update and hopefully this doesnt get overshadowed or lost in the mix : )I just told the place where I take care of the horses that I need to step back from feeding. Based on what weve experienced (subtle and not-so-subtle emotional and spiritual abuse of our children at the hands of leaders) and experiences of friends (e.g., a prominent local church knowingly put a child sex offender who was on probation in charge of the high school youth group; he promptly started sexually harassing my daughters 16 year old best friend and my daughter personally witnessed him making cracks about taking care of her best friends boyfriend so as to get him out of the way so hed have free reign over her). Can you make a circus tent? Both say they were sexually abused for years by former Kanakuk camp counselor Peter Newman. Newman had other suggestions that same night, Dygert said: Dunking a basketball naked from a gymnastics board, for example. I do, however, have issues with Love referring to himself as a victim advocate. But for Jesus it did have to do with that temple/ that building in Jerusalem and what he said was My house shall be called a house of prayer. By my reading, the Pharisees were several notches better than these thugs. Dygert said he wanted to take the case to the public courts, but the settlement process had taken an "unbelievably enormous toll" on a family member "who was really struggling with her mental health." And in that environment of male-headship, what unfolds may begin with the torment of women who need to be put in their place, but once-released, the forces of evil will take their own direction and become something that the original planners can not control . He is. As the News-Leader reported last month, the unsigned open letter argued that Kanakuk should agree to an external, independent investigation by a law firm. He was imprisoned following his 2010 sentencingon seven felony counts of sexually abusing boys, in connection with his role as a Kanakuk counselor. Ive been there many times. I went to church on Sunday for the first time in a couple of years. Semi relevant, I was reading something the other day about dating sites and a lady said that narcissists use the free sites in part because they have some sort of quizzes they can study before coming after their prey. They flatter and groom- not just their victims but everyone. It doesnt make ANY difference when it comes to protecting children. Ive read so many cases in the news now, Id be paranoid to take my kids to church or have them involved in any Christian stuff. I just went through something similar with a friend this summer. It was, however, a good experience for the Young Tree Sapling to see that all is not as it is advertised to be, not even in Christian circles. Great. Thanks for sharing that. 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